Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ayumi Hamasaki Countdown Live 2000–2001 A

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 16:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Ayumi Hamasaki Countdown Live 2000–2001 A

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Fails WP:NMUSIC » Shadowowl | talk 21:54, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Sources in the jawiki article show that this concert DVD reached 3rd on the charts and was certified gold by RIAJ. Bakazaka (talk) 23:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

• Which would indicate that it passes WP:NALBUM even as a DVD, right? Dekimasuよ! 18:34, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

• WP:NALBUM#3 seems to apply to any "recording," so yes. Perhaps the nominator could specify which part of WP:NMUSIC is at issue here. Bakazaka (talk) 21:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

• Delete - Stub that has several composition issues. Redditaddict69 00:40, 16 August 2018 (UTC) Striking out prev. vote in favor of Keep after edits and fixes to the article --Redditaddict69 20:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:48, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:48, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:48, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

• Keep Subject meets WP:NALBUM#3 as an RIAJ certified gold recording. There is available material in Japanese sources to expand the article. So WP:NMUSIC policy guidelines are met. Bakazaka (talk) 17:05, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
• Keep per Bakazaka. Satisfies NALBUM due to being RIAJ gold certified. James500 (talk) 06:39, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
• Redirect to Ayumi Hamasaki per reason given in "08:14, 20 August 2018 (UTC)" comment below. Unsourced assertions by the above two keep !votes that RIAJ certified it gold despite it not apparently being mentioned on their website aside, the article is such a bloody mess it is not even sure if the title has an "'s". No prejudice against the idea that the RIAJ website only has annual reports going back to 2008 maintained on their website and the above unsourced assertions just happen to be true to the point that a decent article could be created, mind. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 19:32, 19 August 2018 (UTC) (edited 08:18, 20 August 2018 (UTC))

The jawiki article has the lookup information, as noted above. Here is a link to the RIAJ certifications page where anyone can look up certifications going back to 1989 [1]. The date to look up for this video's certification is November 2003. Video certifications are listed lower on the page, so some scrolling may be required. Bakazaka (talk) 20:31, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I found it. The article is still crap, and the notability guidelines are called guidelines specifically so we can ignore them when strictly following them results in crap articles. As I said, I have no prejudice against the idea that a decent article could be built, but the topic having charted does not necessarily demonstrate that. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:14, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Alpha3031 (t • c) 02:17, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

• Keep - the official reasoning is given by Bakazaka as per WP:NMUSIC. Hijiri makes a legitimate note about not being obliged to follow it, but I don't believe the article is beyond clean-up as is (just). I've done the minimum of actual proper formatting - the blank bits are all there in the wikitext, I just don't have the data to fill it in. Nosebagbear (talk) 12:18, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I've also added wikilinks, but more importantly, the gathering of them found a surprisingly high number of good articles - clearly there are interested editors willing to do significant amounts of work on the topic Nosebagbear (talk) 12:27, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.